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No he's not one of them. Can't remember the exact name. (Can't describe the origins of his beliefs as that might be construed as religious)

He is a better man for it.
 

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If this was truly someone's home, I could understand your reference to etiquette.

But, PT is more like a pub that welcomes strangers from the street. Ideas will be shared with others that the owner, or other patrons may not agree with. So what are you going to do, close the bar every time something disagrees with you. You opened it up to the public. What do you expect?
Its open to the public, but privately owned. Just like my store, if someone is deserving, I dont have to sell them anything, or I can kick them out....my store, my choice. Just like you painters, you run your business the way you like. :yes:
 

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You have been through enough rounds of this discussion that you have probably forgotten where the discussion stood the last time Nathan actually participated.

It was made quite clear that he would rather have a site that has 5684 members where they are learning from each other, regardless of their level, than to have a site with 20 members who are interested in improving business for painters and raising standards within the industry. That is just not the purpose of the site, and we all have to respect that. Advertisers would rather put their stuff in front of 5684 painters than 20, or even 100. Advertisers really dont care who those painters are, as long as they are potential purchasers of paint, or related goods. Nathan is a smart man.

Internet forums are not really a place where painters would go to try to seriously improve their business or the industry anyways, so these places are more social and entertainment than they are dedicated to business, craft or any other aspect of painting. Thus, we get everything from: "how do I paint a foyer?" to "how do I incorporate?" to "how do I make me a better logo?" to "what should I charge?" Its the nature of the beast, and I guess the eclectic mix is what keeps people tuning in.

Painters in general are an unusual bunch. Painters on a forum, even more so. We all have our idiosyncracies. You are a highly intelligent, obsessive compulsive. I suffer from multiple delusional personalities with occasional breaks of lucidity. Bill suffers from, well, being Bill. The only thing that any of us have in a common is a keyboard and some ladders.
 

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If this was truly someone's home, I could understand your reference to etiquette.

But, PT is more like a pub that welcomes strangers from the street. Ideas will be shared with others that the owner, or other patrons may not agree with. So what are you going to do, close the bar every time something disagrees with you. You opened it up to the public. What do you expect?
Oh come on....is this 'really' that hard to understand or accept??

It's not even as much about rules and oppression, it's about courtesy and getting along. These posts are 'case in point'. Have you not heard that old adage about keeping the peace you never talk, "politics, religion, money". These are deeply personal to many people and there are no to very little solutions. SO to avoid threads that go now where other than for people to soapbox and inevitably insult other people....its simply avoided.

Go find forums that are businesses or linked to businesses that allow "politics, religion, money" to be discussed freely....good luck. Smart people know these are to be avoided if they don't want the site to degrade into negative slandering and hurt egos.

My son just spilt his milk.....got to run....
 

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If this was truly someone's home, I could understand your reference to etiquette.

But, PT is more like a pub that welcomes strangers from the street. Ideas will be shared with others that the owner, or other patrons may not agree with. So what are you going to do, close the bar every time something disagrees with you. You opened it up to the public. What do you expect?
Actually, CA, every establishment has a right to restrict all sorts of things. Many pubs and restaurants have dress codes. Many schools not only have dress codes, but severely limit content of public speech and gatherings.

Heck, I think all schools, both public and private, stomp on the second amendment.

And those that fight and die for our freedoms all allowed very little freedom of speech while in uniform. (think on THAT irony)

Freedom of speech is an absolutely necessary ingredient to this country of ours, but those freedoms are not guaranteed in every venue. This is a private and virtual edifice. And although it is not brick and mortar, like a social club, a restaurant, theater, or school, it has rules of membership and participation. All who have registered have VOLUNTARILY AGREED to those rules.

When we join, we agree to the house rules. It is a voluntary thing. How more AMERICAN can you get? You have the FREEDOM to join or not. You have the freedom to obey the house rules or go elsewhere. Sheeeet man, that's some powerful freedom, IMO.

Now, as they say, freedom is not free. Those of us who have paid for this country's freedoms, understand that. And in that vein, if anyone wants to pay the piper and start a forum in which there are no holds barred, you have the FREEDOM to do so. I do not know how much a vBulletin forum costs, but it can't be all that much. And I tell you what, if anyone wants to pay for the freedom of having a totally FREE forum with NO restrictions on what is said, I will donate server space (CAVEAT: I will have to check with StartLogic and see if this is possible). AND I will volunteer my time to make sure ABSOLUTE freedom of speech is enforced.

But until that time, everyone has agreed to the rules here.

End of story
 

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Rules are clear on this issue

Rules are rules. I just pulled up the rules. It clearly states "no discussion of politics." End of story:

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One of my brothers is a vegan and does not drink alcohol, by religion. Nor will he allow that which he does not consume in his home. When I go to his home, I honor his rules.

When he comes to my house, he does all he can to prevent meat and alcohol to be consumed by my family and my guests. And if he can't prevent the consumption of those things, he leaves. I don't like that, but it is his choice.
Still don't want to answer the questions I asked directly I see.

I have found that usually when someone doesn't want to answer a question about their statements or message, or subject their beliefs or comments to scrutiny, it's because they are afraid of being considered in the wrong.

Particularly when people in positions of authority do it.

I encourage all people not be afraid of subjecting their beliefs and message to scrutiny.

But sometimes people don't have the courage.

Now if you were to ask me directly if I was referring to you when I said that, my answer would be: Yes.

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I don't think there was anything unclear about the questions I asked, but it is pretty clear that you don't want to answer them.

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Since you brought up the issue of being vegan. I will tell you a little bit about I how deal with such issues because I am not like your brother in law at all, not that I can say for sure you were relating that example to me, considering the ongoing cryptic nature of your wording.

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I am a vegetarian, but I occasionally eat fish. But I wouldn't even eat fish, if I could be sure that I was not going to suffer drastic health consequences.

But I am not at all like your brother in law.

I don't judge other people for eating meat. I don't try to convince them not to. When someone comes to my house, I want them to enjoy themselves, I encourage them to bring and eat what they want.

I encourage them to bring meat and cook it. I even insist when I go to someone else's house for dinner that they "don't do anything different than you would normally do, there will something I can eat"

I swear to God, and anything else holy, that I have said that exact phrase or very close approximation numerous times when going to someone's house for dinner.

Even when they offer to cook a vegetarian meal, I feel bad that they would have to change their way to accommodate me, and I encourage them not change what they would normally do.

That is the absolute truth.

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Now there is a concrete example of my nature about people's personal beliefs.

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I even speak out against vegetarians who put other people down for eating meat.

And I rarely discuss the topic of vegetarianism with meat eaters, all though I occasionally do bring it up to a friend ( certainly not at dinner ), because I care about what they are eating, and I know that they are basing their decision on an absolute lack of knowledge about what occurs in the meat industry, just like I was when I ate meat.

And I sure wish someone would have told me A LOT SOONER.

And I fear that they are making a decision that they would not otherwise make, if they knew what I knew about it. But even then I rarely even discuss with them, out of respect for the fact that their diet is a personal issue.

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Your analogies make it sound like I simply have a disrespect for other people's beliefs.

I can assure of one thing, you don't understand what makes me tick.

Not even your doppelganger Mark Harmon does. A lot of times profilers think they have their suspect figured out. And they are in a position of authority, so surely they must be right.

But really what they are doing is creating a profile based on what they WANT their suspect to be.

They will weed out examples to the contrary, and build a fallacious case based on selective circumstantial evidence. Because they really want that collar.

A lot of times when people think they have someone figured out, and are making condemning remarks and conclusions about them, they are wrong about the person.

It's a hell of a thing when your emotions and pride, not your brain cause you to make condemning remarks about a person.

It's not the type of thing you want to be wrong about. Especially when you are in a position of authority.

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Would be cool to be an NCIS agent though. I bet their connection speed is awesome.

I could conduct some really thorough Youtube investigations.

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Not to mention it would be a great opportunity to hone my cold-reading skills.
 

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I am following your advice.

be happy

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Shut her down, Sean. I posted the rules. The stance on politics is clearly stated in black and white. We all agree to it when we join and participate.

Done deal.
 
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