[DrakeB]

Could be that due to the chemical makeup of the paint it expands or contracts more or less than normal paint, at a rate and amount closer to vinyl's? Just spitballing ideas as they come to me, no idea what their justification is.

Reading the TDS for Revive, you still can't paint it except a darker color from the specific palette. I seem to recall that it uses (and excludes) certain tints because of their properties. I know some colors that are visually very similar to most people actually have very different tint bases, and that would actually impact the amount of heat absorbed.


Just as an example of that, you can mix a black with nothing but black tint in Gennex, and a black that takes some black, some grey, a bit of blue, some magenta, and in the end they look identical to most people. But the second will actually absorb less heat.

 

[DrakeB]

Sherwin gets away with it because they don't use blacks, oranges, etc when they tint, plus other things. They refuse to print the formula as well

Ben Moore Vinyl Safe palette is the same way; I believe there's a green tint they like to avoid, and there's one yellow and one red that don't play nicely as well.

 

[DrakeB]

I can give you the Tech Data Sheet for the Revive if you'd like? Or is that not what you're referring to.

I can't speak for SW and their profit/loss policy, but that isn't generally how BM operates in my experience. Unlike SW, they actually have a reputation that would cost them considerable money should it become blemished. SW already has a spotty reputation, they just get by because of their marketing/market share/pricing.

I'm not entirely sure why you seem to think this would have to be a miracle to work. Clearly we all understand that different colors reflect different wavelengths of light and thus absorb heat at different rates. I'm curious why your immediate conclusion would be that the chemists at these two companies clearly understand that, figured out which colors would work, and then figured out which wouldn't... and then included the ones that wouldn't work anyways. If some of them work fine (which they obviously do), why would you not assume that these curated collections specifically for this goal are actually the ones they found that work... fine.

It'd clearly be much MORE profitable to sell a collection that actually works than one that has a decent loss rate. Even if you were still in the black, you'd be WAY more in the black by not having to cover lawsuits and failures. One failure on a small house could erode the profits for thousands of dollars of paint sales. There's no reason these companies would be aiming for that.

 

[DrakeB]

Yup, warrantee is for the paint only for peel, blister, weathering, etc.

Honestly, though, there isn't any way they could (or should, imo) take responsibility for the vinyl siding itself. To me, that'd be like painting a rotten log then blaming the paint when it falls apart.

But, it should probably be noted, I have pretty strong feelings about vinyl siding in the first place and think it's a bit of a sham. Vinyl siding is almost all garbage and when people ask me about it, I tell them to replace it if they've got it or put something else on if they're considering it. The only good reason to use vinyl in my opinion is if you're about to sell a house and you want it to look good and don't mind giving the next owners garbage quality siding.

 

[DrakeB]

To bad I wasn't on this forum a few years ago when I first saw Restore. Everyone thought I was nuts when I told them that was going to be an epic failure too.

I'm pretty sure most people with a brain knew it was going to be garbage as soon as we encountered it :thumbup:


If I hear about a bunch of failures with the Revive I'll swallow my words, but I don't see anything wrong with marketing vinyl safe paint as long as the colors actually work okay (which, from what I've heard so far, they do). If they don't, we'll know this summer- for sure. It's not like Restore where the time it would take is kind of misty and varying. If the vinyl safe paints fail, they will fail right away.

 

[DrakeB]

If BM keeps pushing the Arborcoat semi-trans and semisolid as a deck-coating, their rep is gonna get blemished in that market. I'm not bashing BM in general, I buy from them every month. But my experience with that product hasn't been good and the reviews I read online (not just here) say its a loser.

Would love to argue with that, but I really can't. You're right, the product does need help.