Just look on the back of the chips and see the LRV values. I would guess any LRV above 92ish would qualify as a super high reflective white and take three coats. I just used DE Suprema flat out of the can over a pretty normal beige and it took three. LRV on that white is 96 I think?
Worst Covering Whites
Trying to put together a list of colors I can warn customers that will require 3 coats on walls (or more) since they are getting so popular here in my area. I primarily use BM and SW if they absolutely insist and colors I've used recently that have required more than 2 coats are Chantilly Lace, Simply White and SW High Reflective White.
Anyone want to add to the list from these 2 companies? I use Regal, Ben and Ultra Spec from BM and it doesn't really seem to make a difference which product I use with the colors I listed.
Anyone want to add to the list from these 2 companies? I use Regal, Ben and Ultra Spec from BM and it doesn't really seem to make a difference which product I use with the colors I listed.
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i test any stubborn whites right there on site or let the client know before its extra for a third coat
S/W high reflective white is a tint base and not a color that not all stores carry and is a pain when a customer chooses a color from somewhere else and can only be matched in it. Any straight white out of the can is tough to get proper hide. Higher quality paint makes a difference but not always.
It's shown on their fandeck and getting picked quite a bit.S/W high reflective white is a tint base and not a color that not all stores carry and is a pain when a customer chooses a color from somewhere else and can only be matched in it. Any straight white out of the can is tough to get proper hide. Higher quality paint makes a difference but not always.
I can tell you 2 off whites that cover and look great are China White OC-41 and Ballet White OC-9.
BM Heron White OC-57 using Scuff-X Matte.
Heron White is featured in alot of BM's brochures and email blasts lately.
It's a great color and fortunately it's a T/M project.
Heron White is featured in alot of BM's brochures and email blasts lately.
It's a great color and fortunately it's a T/M project.
Simply white is a nightmare!Trying to put together a list of colors I can warn customers that will require 3 coats on walls (or more) since they are getting so popular here in my area. I primarily use BM and SW if they absolutely insist and colors I've used recently that have required more than 2 coats are Chantilly Lace, Simply White and SW High Reflective White.
Anyone want to add to the list from these 2 companies? I use Regal, Ben and Ultra Spec from BM and it doesn't really seem to make a difference which product I use with the colors I listed.
Didn't notice much of a difference between Regal and Ultra spec? I haven't rolled walls for a while but I always thought Regal I did a pretty decent job of covering.
I've done simply white with both products recently and they both took 3 coats. Regal was closer to a finished product after two but still really needed that 3rd one.Didn't notice much of a difference between Regal and Ultra spec? I haven't rolled walls for a while but I always thought Regal I did a pretty decent job of covering.
Simply White is the spawn of the devil.
Confession and question. Question first. Do these people really think they can tell the difference between stock "white" and "simply white"? (Which I agree is spawn of the devil).
Confession: on one simply white job, I was asked to return a while later to do some newly installed crown. I couldn't find the "simply white" and just put a BM "white" on it. I'm a bad man.
But would you be surprised to know that no one noticed? I mean, sure. If I put it on the door next to the casing something might have been off enough for someone to notice. But really? Would they even know which was "wrong"? The door or the casing? If it was all just plain "white," what's the diff? All of the wanna-be trendy suburbanites just need to stop trying to be trendy, I think.
Confession: on one simply white job, I was asked to return a while later to do some newly installed crown. I couldn't find the "simply white" and just put a BM "white" on it. I'm a bad man.
But would you be surprised to know that no one noticed? I mean, sure. If I put it on the door next to the casing something might have been off enough for someone to notice. But really? Would they even know which was "wrong"? The door or the casing? If it was all just plain "white," what's the diff? All of the wanna-be trendy suburbanites just need to stop trying to be trendy, I think.
We call it Simply useless.Simply White is the spawn of the devil.
BM Heron White OC-57 using Scuff-X Matte.
Heron White is featured in alot of BM's brochures and email blasts lately.
It's a great color and fortunately it's a T/M project.
I feel like the White Heron has a green tinge to it that I don’t like. I’ve only used it once, but remember thinking: “Eh, doesn’t feel like a WHITE, more like a super light green.”
Which kind of leads into the info I was going to add to this thread. I’ve noticed that some higher LRV whites do take quite of bit of time and coating to cover, but also quite a few shades of yellow and light green have been a PITA for me and the client’s wallet. Typically, most colors I feel like are going to be a problem get a base of color-matched/tinted S-W ProBlock, and 1-2 coats of the topcoat… no point using 3 coats of good paint just to get the coverage.
I would say it gets the most annoying though when clients want their trim and doors painted in a high-LRV color. Nothing like doing a complete trim/door repaint 3-4 times!!
Pure White by S-W seems to cover pretty well, and is one of my go-to whites for basic trim and ceiling repaints. It’s a tinge gray, so I’m still hunting around for that “perfectly beautiful” white for those same situations. I’ll have to try the colors you recommended Kevyn: China White and Ballet White. One color I’ve been looking to try is “All White” by Farrow & Ball, that one looks like it has the potential to be a great white in 2 coats 👍🏼
As painters, we’re never truly happy with colors and products are we? 😂
Try the 01 white in BM products. They make it in almost every product and it's cleaner than SW pure white.I feel like the White Heron has a green tinge to it that I don’t like. I’ve only used it once, but remember thinking: “Eh, doesn’t feel like a WHITE, more like a super light green.”
Which kind of leads into the info I was going to add to this thread. I’ve noticed that some higher LRV whites do take quite of bit of time and coating to cover, but also quite a few shades of yellow and light green have been a PITA for me and the client’s wallet. Typically, most colors I feel like are going to be a problem get a base of color-matched/tinted S-W ProBlock, and 1-2 coats of the topcoat… no point using 3 coats of good paint just to get the coverage.
I would say it gets the most annoying though when clients want their trim and doors painted in a high-LRV color. Nothing like doing a complete trim/door repaint 3-4 times!!
Pure White by S-W seems to cover pretty well, and is one of my go-to whites for basic trim and ceiling repaints. It’s a tinge gray, so I’m still hunting around for that “perfectly beautiful” white for those same situations. I’ll have to try the colors you recommended Kevyn: China White and Ballet White. One color I’ve been looking to try is “All White” by Farrow & Ball, that one looks like it has the potential to be a great white in 2 coats 👍🏼
Was painters, we’re never truly happy with colors and products are we? 😂
My go to white for trim and doors is BM Super White pre-mixed color. it's a nice white that is not too warm or cool.
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