[journeymanPainter]

I never said anything of the sort. You talking to me? LOL

I don't take over other painters blunders, I also don't save the HO when they started the job themselves.

I turn work away weekly. I just looked at a $15,000 Victorian exterior paint job. I took one look at it and said, na, I don't want it. Then sent a txt to the HO telling her it's not something I would be interested in.

At my age, I only want easy step ladder work. No, not that old, just tired of the big dog jobs.

Why would you even go look at an old Victorian exterior if you don't want to do exteriors? Why wouldn't you just tell the homeowner that in the first place?

 

[Toolnut]

Does the word troll come to mind on this thread or is it just me?

 

[GrandCitiesPainter]

Why would you even go look at an old Victorian exterior if you don't want to do exteriors? Why wouldn't you just tell the homeowner that in the first place?

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I never said I don't do exteriors.

I went to look because I needed to size the job up. I don't have a crystal ball like you do. Hight, difficulty factors, how much scraping is what I needed to see. Use your imagination. Are you a greenhorn too?

 

[Tonyg]

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I never said I don't do exteriors.

I went to look because I needed to size the job up. I don't have a crystal ball like you do. Hight, difficulty factors, how much scraping is what I needed to see. Use your imagination. Are you a greenhorn too?

"At my age, I only want easy step ladder work"

 

[GrandCitiesPainter]

"At my age, I only want easy step ladder work"

I just looked at a $15,000 Victorian exterior paint job.

There's a saying. "actions speak louder than words".
My time is valuable, obviously if I looked at the work and I had interest, hence, I do exterior work.

To clear up the misunderstanding. I prefer easy jobs however, if I need the job or, the money is right, I will take what I can get.

Getting back to the OP, I would run from this job. If someone was cheap enough to hire a "cheap hack" the first time, history will repeat itself. They are sure to be looking for the low bid, again and again and again.

 

[BPC]

Low ball shopping is fine with me it is usually easy to tell if you are in someones price range just by throwing out some ballpark figures. I never turn down work as people will always be quick to bad mouth you for turning them down. I bid everything with the same criteria so pricing is consistent.

 

[journeymanPainter]

Getting back to the OP, I would run from this job. If someone was cheap enough to hire a "cheap hack" the first time, history will repeat itself. They are sure to be looking for the low bid, again and again and again.

Let them look for the low bid time and time again. I'm sure BPC will be coming behind Fredricos painting a few times over.

Sometimes you get what you pay for, and if your willing to pay someone to get the job done right then maybe you've learned.

 

[GrandCitiesPainter]

I never turn down work as people will always be quick to bad mouth you for turning them down.

Doubt it.

If you respectfully decline a potential customers project, a reasonable person will respect you for your decision. And if you want to be a nice guy and take it a step further, refer a painter friend who would be willing to take a look at the project.

 

[BPC]

Doubt it.

If you respectfully decline a potential customers project, a reasonable person will respect you for your decision. And if you want to be a nice guy and take it a step further, refer a painter friend who would be willing to take a look at the project.

Well i guess you are lucky. This day and age people get their feelings hurt by just about anything.

 

[mudbone]

'Once bitten, twice shy.' Now you've gotta teach them to dance again, but they've got hurt feelings.

More like "once bitten twice buy" in this incident.

 

[GrandCitiesPainter]

Well i guess you are lucky. This day and age people get their feelings hurt by just about anything.

If I say this to a person who wants a free estimate, "thank you for considering us, at this time, we are going to have to decline the offer, I wish you the best with your project" they show respect and appreciate me giving it to them strait. It's all about people skills. People value return phone calls and not leaving them hanging either way.

 

[BPC]

Like i said lucky you.

 

[GrandCitiesPainter]

Well i guess you are lucky. This day and age people get their feelings hurt by just about anything.

I don't have these bad experiences being up front and honest with people.
You can't stop unreasonable people from being unreasonable. I am a businessman, not a therapist. You will learn one day.

 

[chrisn]

Well i guess you are lucky. This day and age people get their feelings hurt by just about anything.

My feelings are hurt just reading this stuff.

 

[BPC]

See what i mean i offened chrisn and didnt even try. I have declined people in the past and they took offense as if there job was beneath me they had hurt feelings and told others which cost me work.

 

[Roamer]

We have turned down maybe a handful of jobs in the last 29 years and it usually didn't end well.

If you waste someone's time to meet for the site visit and then turn around and tell them the job doesn't suit you or phrase however you like then you've just wasted their time and they still need a painting proposal.

If we don't want to do the job after visiting the site we will typically just tell the client that we can't get to the job for a couple of months. Most often times that will suffice. If time is not the object then we bid the job exorbitantly.

 

[BPC]

We have turned down maybe a handful of jobs in the last 29 years and it usually didn't end well.

If you waste someone's time to meet for the site visit and then turn around and tell them the job doesn't suit you or phrase however you like then you've just wasted their time and they still need a painting proposal.

If we don't want to do the job after visiting the site we will typically just tell the client that we can't get to the job for a couple of months. Most often times that will suffice. If time is not the object then we bid the job exorbitantly.

Exactly this is real world here as well.

 

[GrandCitiesPainter]

We have turned down maybe a handful of jobs in the last 29 years and it usually didn't end well.

If we don't want to do the job after visiting the site we will typically just tell the client that we can't get to the job for a couple of months. Most often times that will suffice. If time is not the object then we bid the job exorbitantly.

So you actually do turn away work, you just do it in an indirect way.
And to comment on your "we bid the job exorbitantly"? Now there's a way to get bad mouthed. Customer - "can you believe the prices XYZ painting charges? They tried to rip us off and over charge us"! :blink:

If you waste someone's time to meet for the site visit and then turn around and tell them the job doesn't suit you or phrase however you like then you've just wasted their time and they still need a painting proposal.

There's an interesting thought, the painting contractors wasting the home owners time? you are a funny guy Roamer. :wallbash:

And they still need a painting proposal Roamer says? And this is the contractors responsibility? Like I said, you are a funny guy. And through my experience, the customer gets a minimum of 3 quotes or more anyway, so who is really wasting whose time in the big scheme of things?

The reality is, customers call contractors for a FREE, no obligation estimate. And it's no obligation on the painters end as well.

So back to the OP's post, if someone wants to bad mouth me because I feel a job was not a fit for my company, let them bad mouth me, they will get over it.

 

[HDI hardener]

Oh my god.

www.poly-isocyanate.com

 

[SemiproJohn]

So you actually do turn away work, you just do it in an indirect way.
And to comment on your "we bid the job exorbitantly"? Now there's a way to get bad mouthed. Customer - "can you believe the prices XYZ painting charges? They tried to rip us off and over charge us"! :blink:



There's an interesting thought, the painting contractors wasting the home owners time? you are a funny guy Roamer. :wallbash:

And they still need a painting proposal Roamer says? And this is the contractors responsibility? Like I said, you are a funny guy. And through my experience, the customer gets a minimum of 3 quotes or more anyway, so who is really wasting whose time in the big scheme of things?

The reality is, customers call contractors for a FREE, no obligation estimate. And it's no obligation on the painters end as well.

So back to the OP's post, if someone wants to bad mouth me because I feel a job was not a fit for my company, let them bad mouth me, they will get over it.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I've never read one single thing posted by Roamer that I disagreed with. Ever. One of the PT heavyweights in my opinon. So there's that.